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29 April 2011 @ 10:59 am
Libyagate: Nuclear mustard gas. Younis - who?  
How much as CO2 offsets should the military have to buy (from China and India)? What are the CO2 emissions of NATO jets, 1000, 2000lb bombs, cruise missiles, rockets and the fires they cause, and all those ships... How green is your gov't now Mr Cameron?

It was postulated some time ago that the US could be looking for an excuse to use mini nukes and the store of mustard type gas that the Libyan gov't has not yet completely disposed of was suggested as a candidate. Two points to note. Firstly the store is in east Libya, second is that the Libyan government has vowed to not use it. However it is a useful propaganda item and leverage when asking for Apache helicopters, etc. -
Col Gaddafi still has quarter of chemical weapons stockpile  Teleg
Gaddafi ready to use mustard gas in a "desperate" fight to the death, senior rebel commander claims.
[...] Col. Gaddafi is known to have around ten tons of mustard gas remaining from stocks that he had been destroying under the supervision of a United Nations body, the Organization for the Prohibition of Chemical Weapons.
[Wiki page for Younis]

Some more revealing background on Younis is exposed in Tarpley.net's "The CIA’s Libya Rebels: The Same Terrorists who Killed US, NATO Troops in Iraq"
[...] Rebel Leaders Jalil and Younis, Plus Most of Rebel Council are Members of the al Qaeda-linked Harabi Tribe
The result of the present inquiry is that the Libyan branch of Al Qaeda represents a continuum with the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group centered in Darnah and Benghazi. The ethnic base of the Libyan Islamic fighting group is apparently to be found in the anti-Qaddafi Harabi tribe, the tribe which makes up the vast majority of the rebel council including the two dominant rebel leaders, Abdul Fatah Younis and Mustafa Abdul Jalil. The evidence thus suggests that the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group, the elite of the Harabi tribe, and the rebel council supported by Obama all overlap for all practical purposes. As the late Foreign Minister of Guyana Fred Wills, a real fighter against imperialism and neo-colonialism, taught me many years ago, political formations in developing countries (and not just there) are often a mask for ethnic and religious rivalries; so it is in Libya. The rebellion against Qaddafi is a toxic brew compounded of fanatical hatred of Qaddafi, Islamism, tribalism, and localism. From this point of view, Obama has foolishly chosen to take sides in a tribal war.
Yet in Stratfor's
Libya's Tribal Dynamics" - The Obeidat Tribe The Obeidat are centered in the far northeastern military garrison town of Tobruk. Two top officials in the regime that come from this tribe have made very public defections in recent days: Maj. Gen. Suleiman Mahmud (whose full name is Suleiman Mahmud al-Obeidi), commander of the Tobruk military region, and Maj. Gen. Abdel Fattah Younis (whose full name also includes “al-Obeidi” at the end), the former interior minister. The latter announced his defection on Al Arabiya television Feb. 23. Mahmud, meanwhile, insisted after his defection that the tribes are not as fractious as Gadhafi claims, disputing the notion that Gadhafi’s removal would lead to chaos.
Clarification comes via Planned Regime Change in Libya - Tarpley believes the Harabi tribe may be trying "to seize dominance over the" others. "The Harabi are already practically hegemonic among the tribes of Cyrenaica (Libya's eastern coastal region). At the center of the Harabi Confederation is the Obeidat tribe, which is divided into 15 sub-tribes." Harabi apparently has links to violent elements in Benghazi. They're former US enemies, now allies against Gaddafi to oust him.
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Had Younis stayed with the Libyan gov't he would have been seen as a traitor to his own tribe.

Pig in a poke  CounterPunch
[...] Thomas Mountain at CounterPunch ("Bombing Libya," March 23) raises some unpleasant questions about the Benghazi rebels. Benghazi, the city in Libya closest to Italy, has for years been a center of human trafficking from sub-Saharan Africa. An average of a thousand black African refugees a day pass through Benghazi in hopes of escaping to Europe. So Benghazi was the seat of an enormous complex of gangs controlling the human trafficking trade, many of them exploiting their human cargo as ruthlessly as the "coyotes" on the U.S.-Mexican border. The Quaddafi government, according to Mountain, had been unsuccessfully trying to suppress this trade for years. As a result, the criminal underworld of Benghazi has been a prime supporter of the rebellion.
Benghazi is also home to a large number of black African guest workers who do work that Libyans regard as "dirty." Native youth, who refuse to take these jobs, are frequently unemployed and idle. So they wind up joining youth gangs that engage in racist harrassment of black African guest workers. These discontented youth were at the heart of the protest movement.
This raises some interesting questions about the reported massacre of black Africans by Benghazi militia -- supposedly because black Africans were recruited as mercenaries by Quaddafi -- doesn't it? I don't know if Thomas Mountain's account is correct. But at least it should make us think twice when we hear the talking heads like Ed Schultz on MSNBC referring to Libyan "freedom fighters."

.Libya: It’s Not About Oil, It’s About Currency and Loans  Infowars
[...] we might ask ourselves: What happens when a “rogue” country threatens to bring the banking system that benefits the corporatocracy to its knees? What happens to an “empire” when it can no longer effectively be overtly imperialistic?
One definition of “Empire” (per my book The Secret History of the American Empire) states that an empire is a nation that dominates other nations by imposing its own currency on the lands under its control. The empire maintains a large standing military that is ready to protect the currency and the entire economic system that depends on it through extreme violence, if necessary. The ancient Romans did this. So did the Spanish and the British during their days of empire-building. Now, the US or, more to the point, the corporatocracy, is doing it and is determined to punish any individual who tries to stop them. Qaddafi is but the latest example.
One definition of “Empire” (per my book The Secret History of the American Empire) states that an empire is a nation that dominates other nations by imposing its own currency on the lands under its control. The empire maintains a large standing military that is ready to protect the currency and the entire economic system that depends on it through extreme violence, if necessary. The ancient Romans did this. So did the Spanish and the British during their days of empire-building. Now, the US or, more to the point, the corporatocracy, is doing it and is determined to punish any individual who tries to stop them. Qaddafi is but the latest example.
[I would have said It's not JUST about oil, (there are also the strategic considerations too). This essay adds further to the clarification of the ingredients in the Libyan stew.]
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Muammar Gaddafi is arming Libyan 17-year-olds [& 18 y.o., 19 y.o., 20.y.o. etc] Guardian
to build a "home front" against Nato military intervention and the possibility of rebels from the east of the country reaching largely loyalist towns and cities in the west. As part of the drive towards an unofficial civilian army, the government is releasing thousands of AK-47 assault rifles into communities and is organising classes in the use of weapons.

Some insight to Cameron's mindset was provided by Slog in early March -The Mail’s LSE scoop barely scratches the surface of our incompetence

Other updates
Bahrain sentences four protesters to death, deepening anger among Shiites CSMonitor
A military court today sentenced four Shiite demonstrators to death, and handed life sentences to three more, for the deaths of two policemen. Rights activists say the detainees were tortured and denied legal rights.
[Accused of deliberately running down security officers. However I'm against the death penalty for any crime.]

StopNATO
Update on Libyan war: April 28

Tripoli Bishop: Bombs Striking Everywhere, Italian Government Should Resign

Several Injured, Perhaps Dead In NATO Air Strike On Libyan Capital


Libya To Take Legal Action Against NATO Over Gaddafi Assassination Attempt

NATO’s Month-Long Air War: 4,100 Sorties, 1,700 Strike Missions

Russia Says EU, NATO Ready To Start Ground Operation In Libya

West Plans Libyan Invasion Under Humanitarian Guise


Libya Trains Volunteer Army To Fight Against NATO Invasion

Bishop Denounces NATO Bombing Campaign In Libya


War Against Libya As Seen From Caribbean, Latin America


Russia, China Oppose Foreign Interference In Syria
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US OKs Oil Deals With Libya Opposition PressTV

Out of bombs, lobbing lumps of concrete instead. Sticks held in reserve.
France uses unexplosive bombs in Libya: spokesman

Jesus wept

You can't get away from the damn wedding.

This is sad from more than one point of view. Evidence of how far along the path to being a police state the UK has moved, and the fact that the mindset of enemies created by the state makes it necessary. OTOH aren't we supporting al Qaeda in Libya - why would they attack?
Al-Qaeda, 'Prince William fans' pose a threat to the royal wedding  Herald Sun via Infowars
A rogue bombing of a major London transport hub is one of numerous possible threats clouding the royal wedding.
That is the view of the former commander of the royalty protection squad, Dai Davies.
As billions of people around the globe turn their attention to the marriage of Prince William and Catherine Middleton on April 29, sharp-shooters will take up positions on rooftops near Westminster Abbey.
Given less than a minute's notice, if needed, a veritable army will flood the area which is set to stage the royal nuptials.

The University of St Andrews, where Kate Middleton and Prince William studied, is to review how its Syrian studies centre is financed. The Guardian revealed that the centre was funded by Sami Khiyami, Syrian ambassador to the UK, whose invitation to the royal wedding has sparked controversy. The centre's board of advisers is also closely associated with the Damascus regime.
[Demonisation underway in exactly the same way Libya has been denigrated. How soon before Syria is accused Investing money in foreign countries while joblessness and poverty increased, of poisoning the water with fluoride, pillaging pension funds, causing death by heat exposure due to criminally high energy bills avoiding air conditioner use, poisoning the air with CO2 and otherwise being ungreen? That last one couldn't be used against Gaddafi as he's a greenie.]
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Commiserations to our cousins in the US hit by severe whirlwinds and storms.
 
 
 
(no subject) - mariamagdalena on April 29th, 2011 07:35 pm (UTC) (Expand)
(no subject) - mariamagdalena on April 29th, 2011 07:36 pm (UTC) (Expand)
clothcapclothcap on April 30th, 2011 10:16 am (UTC)
mariamagdalena
Thanks for your comment and links.
It is not my position to take a stand on behalf of the Libyan government or the insurgency. I condemn atrocities wherever they happen by whichever anti-human arranges and or commits them.
Your vid links are fine as a propaganda effort but there are crimes committed by both sides and nothing will be clear until the action is over.
It is not for outsiders to decide for Libyans what they get, let alone what they want.
Please maintain an open mind, protest against unreasonable violence and do what you think is right bearing in mind the Libyans have as much right to protest as other nation but none at all to commit atrocities, that also applies to government forces and NATO.
(no subject) - mariamagdalena on April 30th, 2011 01:29 pm (UTC) (Expand)
clothcapclothcap on April 30th, 2011 08:10 pm (UTC)
Believe me I understand. You think it is easy for me?
I said it is for the Libyan people to decide their future.
There is hope.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/04/30/us-libya-tribes-idUSTRE73T1I520110430
Libyan tribes loyal to Muammar Gaddafi called on rebels on Saturday to 'return to the fold' and stand united with their leader against NATO airstrikes they likened to Italy's colonial rule.
The call came in a meeting of leaders representing some 420 tribes to which Gaddafi's government brought the foreign media it has permitted in Tripoli. Those journalists operate under close supervision from government minders.

If I was a believer I would be praying for them. I may anyway.

"Open your eyes! Open your mind!"

My mind has never been closed. My eyes were open before most and I have not kept my thoughts to myself. The battle for Libya, not for one side or the other is what is important. The only way for that to happen is for the tribes to be reconciled. If I show these videos it could add to the rift rather than help heal it.

I am happy that you are human and that you feel so strongly about the suffering being caused. If most people were of the same attitude there would be no wars.
(no subject) - mariamagdalena on April 30th, 2011 11:26 pm (UTC) (Expand)
clothcapclothcap on May 1st, 2011 09:12 am (UTC)
This must stop. I agree with that 100%.
"Everybody lies"
"In the information you have no truth more than 50%."

Good, you are seeing the picture more calmly.
Increasing friction and hatred between the sides will not accelerate peace between the tribes. That is where peace will come from.
I'm aware who the sponsors of the rebels are, who has been responsible for their rapid rise in importance and roughly what the make-up of the Benghazi insurgents is, apart from many racist citizens and disconsolate youth there is LIFG and AQIM, the contents of Benghazi prison and mercenaries.
The tribal leaders are also aware. I suspect after Misurata is settled either by negotiation or violence Benghazi will not be given the same option.
Many Libyans supporting the insurgents did not want NATO. If the reports of Gaddafi's relatives killed by NATO missiles are true many of them will withdraw support.
Just now would be a good time for the various foreign military nationals to be withdrawn. Their security is no longer viable.
clothcapclothcap on May 1st, 2011 03:27 pm (UTC)
Things are moving:
http://kir-t34.livejournal.com/22925.html

This urgent decision was taken due to a chain of failures that have ruined original plans by anti-Libyan coalition: successes of regular Libyan army, the joining of Bedouin tribes to pro-Qaddafi forces and the creation of “second front” in Benghazi. This front consists of the armed groups of civil militia, ordinary citizens who are seeking restoration of the rule of law in Benghazi. They declared that they wouldn’t stand so-called “rebels” any more in their city, who are fighting each other and expose violence on city’s population.

The Italian coalition gov't should fall apart within a few days because of Libya and NATO can't survive public opinion much longer.


(no subject) - mariamagdalena on May 1st, 2011 05:39 pm (UTC) (Expand)
clothcapclothcap on May 2nd, 2011 08:15 am (UTC)
You are welcome to comment here-
http://my.telegraph.co.uk/clothcap