clothcap (clothcap) wrote,

Libyagate: DU weapons, cruise missiles versus cluster bomblets

The real news:
What a Strange Way to Protect Civilians: Depleted Uranium and Libya David Wilson

"We are there to protect civilians and civilian-populated areas"  – William Hague 

"I was watching ABC News last night and, lo and behold, there was a DU impact. It burned and burned and burned." - Doug Rokke, ex-director of the Pentagon’s Depleted Uranium Project commenting on Libya attack. 

"Depleted uranium tipped missiles fit the description of a dirty bomb in every way… I would say that it is the perfect weapon for killing lots of people." – Marion Falk, chemical physicist (retd), Lawrence Livermore Lab, California, USA 

To date depleted uranium’s deathly dust has traveled its horrible route from Iraq (The first Gulf War in 1990/91) to the Balkans (with the NATO attack on Serbia in 1999) to Afghanistan (2001-) and back to Iraq (2003-)  Now we have the attack on Libya and I raise the question as to whether DU is being used once again in this latest "war"; whether this "nuclear waste with wings" continues its journey bringing with it short- and long-term death.
In the first 24 hours of the Libyan attack, US B-2s dropped forty-five 2,000-pound bombs. Did any of these massive bombs, along with the Cruise missiles launched from British and French planes and ships, contain depleted uranium? Doug Rokke joins others such as Conn Hallinan, of Foreign Policy in Focus, in believing that the answer is yes.
DU is the waste product from the process of enriching uranium ore. It is used in nuclear weapons and reactors. Because it is a very heavy substance, 1.7 times denser than lead, it is highly valued by the military for its ability to punch through armored vehicles and buildings. When a weapon made with a DU tip strikes a solid object like the side of a tank, it goes straight through it, then erupts in a burning cloud of vapor. The vapor settles as dust, which is not only poisonous, but also radioactive.
An impacting DU missile burns at 10,000 degrees C. When it strikes a target, 30% fragments into shrapnel. The remaining 70% vaporizes into three highly-toxic oxides, including uranium oxide. This black dust remains suspended in the air and, according to wind and weather, can travel over great distances. If you think Iraq and Libya are far away, remember that radiation from Chernobyl reached Wales.
/continues with tech info and the two (or more) faces of leading British bank clerks politicians here.

MSM "news" (

It is ironic that the US MSM has made such a big issue of this when the US has not banned their use.
Of course such devastating revelations can not be taken lying down. Gaddafi is the satan incarnate and all means to eradicate his army of demons from hell (African mercenaries), servants of the devil (conscripts), sacrifices (schoolies on the front line) and his use of high tech weaponry (second world war salvage) has to be pursued.
The most evil person in the world after Gordon Brown is using weapons of mass destruction, cluster bomblets that are shells that release several smaller bomblets (bit bigger than a cig lighter). Spain supplied them to Libya before a number of countries banned their use (note, not the US). The radius covered by the air release of the bomblets is around 50 - 60 mtrs. Standard armour penetration ability is around 150mm.
I cannot believe the army would waste non replaceable weaponry designed to damage heavy armour on civilians or even foot soldiers. It or they were probably used against grad rocket launchers that the insurgency possesses. Noteworthy, "The fuze controls activation after submunition scattering, initiation of the submunition warhead on impact, self-destruct after 20 seconds, or self-neutralisation after a few minutes." (reference Jane's here).

Compared to a cruise missile with a 1,000lb payload (the recent BGM-109 Tomahawk block IV, showcased in Libya), which has the greater destructive power and therefore more deserving of a ban or at the very least recrimination for their use against targets in civilian areas?
Noteworthy, these missiles also deliver carpet bomb payloads for destroying airfields. Were they used?
Youtube vid:

Who is the bigger satan?

I put a post on the CIA at Live Journal, some background info on its activities (many illegal) in the US . Libyagate: CIA war makers in their nest

Al J Censored Live
[Desperate to get a presence in Brega, there can't be any civilians left other than those loyal to the incumbent gov't so why?]

12:01am Rebel fighters in Libya claim to have wrested back control in parts of Brega: the fiercely contested oil port to the country's east.

9:07am Anti-Gaddafi fighters in Benghazi tell Al Jazeera they are sending fighters to Misurata to help "liberate" it, along with other cities in the west of the country.

9:53am At least 100 Grad rockets have pounded Misurata in shelling since the early hours of this morning, a spokesman for anti-Gaddafi fighters tells Reuters. Abdelbasset Abu Mzereiq said: "They fired Grads at an industrial area this morning, at least one hundred rockets were fired. No casualties are reported."
"We know that the dairy factory there has been damaged."

10:15am State TV is saying Gaddafi's hometown of Sirte was subject "a short time ago" to an air strike launched "by the crusader colonialist aggression".
10:40am Anti-Gaddafi fighters in eastern Libya have spent the early morning reinforcing their positions on the Ajdabiya-Brega road, says the AFP news agency.

10:42am One person was killed and seven injured yesterday, all hit by gunfire on the road between Ajdabiya and Brega, 80km to its west, doctors in Ajdabiya tell AFP.

12:29pm Anti-Gaddafi fighters have made it to Brega, one of their officers says.
Following "scattered clashes" with Gaddafi's troops this morning, they have neared the strategic oil facilities of the key port town, Colonel Hamid Hassy told the Associated Press.
He said they had brought engineers with them to repair damage to the refineries and terminal - which have already changed hands half a dozen times since fighting erupted a month and a half ago.
He attributed the advance to several days of NATO airstrikes softening up Gaddafi's forces.
[Taking civilians into a war zone, the reason for the mass assault (~20 pick-ups and taxies including Grads) becomes clear, definitely not about oil they are going to protect civilians by attacking a town with unguided Grad rockets? NATO must be on a tea break.]

IMO the Libyan generals are waiting out NATO. The insurgency is likely considered an irritation hence not so many troops deployed. The real enemy is probably considered to be the coalition embedded in NATO (US, UK, France). If there are to be no negotiations, the army will likely be moved in force along the coast clearing up each area as it goes. I suspect when that happens there will be more than a few allied jet casualties. As I said in earlier posts, the army has played softball with the insurgents and has held back from using infantry SAMs (that it must have in abundance) against jets, instead playing the propaganda war that it is winning hands down.

Libya's forces have been estimated at 20,000 compared to ~2,000 insurgents. NATO estimates it has destroyed 25% of the army machinery including planes, no estimate of how many soldiers it has blown up or mowed down.

It is a waiting game.

Say Cameron and Sarkozy win the bankster CIA's war. What then? The country will descend into tribal anarchy as the various groups battle for advantage. It could be worse than Somalia or the Ivory Coast. Cruise missiles ain't much use in the desert.
12 years may have been a conservative estimate on my part.

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